What 'Mechs should be in the new MechWarrior? List name and tonnage at bare minimum for those that aren't familiar.

Keep in mind:

(1) Time frame (3015)
(2) They are trying to make ALL classes valuable and useful.


Confirmed:

Light
Jenner - 35


Medium
Rifleman - 60


Heavy
Warhammer - 70


Assault
Atlas - 100

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I'm happy if they concentrate on quality over quantity.

Agree. Which is why the exact 'Mechs they put in is kind of important, like good scout 'Mechs with the right equipment.

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Medium: Wolverine.

They have the Warhammer. I'm sold.

omnimoribund
small rants for small people

Obvious: UrbanMech - 30

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Really looking foward to this. Been a long time. Ahhh yes. It's official. About time

I'd be stoked if the included the Zeus.

BTW i haven't been on this site in over 5 years, This trailer brought me back here, to find out what you guys thought. I expect i won't be the only one...

Same here. I think activity will definitely be picking up! lol

Yea same here!

I think it would be cool if they brought back all the mechs from the original Mech Warrior, but they should really concentrate on mechs built by Davion and Kurita

light: locust

Medium: shadow hawk

heavy: maurader

assault: battlemaster

Zeus -80 tons -Assault

Orion -75 tons -Heavy

as an old mpbt pilot I got so many favorites from this era

light:Jenner,javelin,urbanmech,panther

med:wolverine,blackjack,shadowhawk,centurion,hunchback

Heavy:catapault,marauder,grashopper would even be cool,crab,orion,jagermech

Assault: Atlas,banshee,stalker,zeus,king crab,awesome

The smoke jaguar fights like a true warrior.No deceit, no subterfuge a single, brutal assault, both open and deadly.A powerful spring from above,a slash of its huge claws across its victim's throat, and its prey lies dead before it."Smoke Jaguars Forever!

Damn, I am so stoked about a new game. I just finished MechCommander 1 and 2 again recently. Did you all know that they are also going to release all of the MechWarrior 4 games again for free!

On Topic:
ShadowHawk
Marauder
and best of all, my beloved WarHammer!!!!!!!!!!!

**Hoping the Unseen become Magic's property**

hi hi

Light:
Urbanmech: The light assault mech.
Panther: Good mix of speed and punch, also it is a Kurita design.
Commando: Classic scout design.

Medium:
Centurion: Good flexibility.
Enforcer: An in your face design.
Assassin: A fast, hit and run design.

Heavy:
Catapult: Fire support, also might appease the madcat fans.
Marauder: Also might placate the madcat fans.

Assault:
Zeus: Flexibility
Victor: A classic brawler.

karl
(aka the snow cheetah)

Pulls out ancient 3025 tech readout ... unrevised ...

So hard to just pick one.. so the hell with it I'll go with a selection of odd balls!

Light:
Spider: 30 ton Fast maneuverable and the longest jump capacity in the game.
Firestarter: 35 tons 4 flamers 2 medium lasers 2 mach guns.

Medium:
Whitworth: 40 tons dual lrm 10s and 3 medium lasers
Blackjack: dual ac2's, 4 medium lasers, 4\6\4 movement
Trebuchet: 50 ton support mech dual LRM 15's 3 medium lasers
Dervish: 55 ton odd ball made by House Davion only dual LRM10's dual srm 2s and two medium lasers.
Scorpion: 55 ton quad ppc, srm 6, 6\9\0 movement

Heavy:
Ostroc: 60 ton laser boat 5\8\0 movement
Quicldraw: 65 ton lrm 10, srm 4, 4 medium lasers, jump capable.
Grasshopper: 70 ton laser boat ... 4\6\4 movement.

Assualt:
Charger... yes the charger 5\8\0 movement and a whopping 5 small lasers all packed onto a 80 ton frame!
Goliath: Just so I can say "energy shield generator in sight"
Cyclops: 80 ton just never seen it in a game

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

I cannot agree with your choice of the Charger. It may be an oddball mech, but it's an 80 ton target, that can be beat by most medium mechs, as long as they keep more than 4 hexes away.

Mechwarrior 2 had the Cyclops in it. It's probably never been very popular because it basically an Atlas wannabe, without the badass looks or extra tonnage and armor. It's still a decent assault mech, but in most cases, if you're looking at a Cyclops, you might as well pony up for the big boy Atlas.

Also, the Cyclops is 90 Tons.

LOL yes the charger is a true odd ball, really not good for anything well maybe a Elemental slasher ... about it.

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

Yeah maybe, He'd have to stomp on them or something though, because small lasers just won't cut it for most situations against elementals.

When most people ask me about the charger, i tell them: "if you want that mech, get a Hatomato Chi, same chassis, smaller engine, more weapons, MUCH more effective mech."

hi hi

I think the reason why the Charger isn't a more respected design is because reconnaissance is a poorly defined goal in Battletech. Not that it isn't to be expected for a game with "battle" in the title, but in Mechcommander, I can remember times when I wish I had a fast mech that could weather turret fire.

karl
(aka the snow cheetah)

Problem is, the Charger, though faster than other assault mechs, is not really all that fast. 5/8 movement is almost standard for medium and heavy mechs. While it seems fast for an assault class mech, i think it just trades too much off for that speed.

All of that without even mentioning that the charger only has 10 tons of a possible 16 tons armor. So it's not as well protected as some might believe, and certainly not as well as the rest of the 80 ton mechs in the 3025 readout.

See The reason behind my decision was if they are truly resitting the B-tech game for newer players. At this point in which mechs are rare and dying out breed. Just keeping one up and falling back when damage is piling up was a major thing for a mechwarrior to do. If anyone remembers the cover of the one book showing a I think Rifleman with a Warhammer's pair of legs, it made you feel that a warrior would do anything to keep a mech in at least enough condition to go into a fight. Unlike the Clan invasion when it seemed any agro-mech jock could walk into Walmart and buy a assault mech.

The fact that the Charger was even in the 3025 tro was simply because it was a mech, not the best or even for that matter even a battlefield viable machine, but it was a mech. With everything falling apart the Charger can be seen as a commander saying "20 years ago we would have laughed it off the field, but today we are desperate for any mechs we can get our hands on."

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

Ah...touche'

Well, you've got me there.

Honestly i wouldn't mind seeing it in the game, i hope they get as many as possible in the game. I just hope they keep it low on the list of priorities, because there are much more deserving mechs.

After some more geeking out and consideration, here's my full wish list:

Light:
Wasp
Commando (personal favorite light mech)

Medium:
Pheonix Hawk
Shadow Hawk
Wolverine

Heavy:
Dragon (Or Grand Dragon)
Catapult
Archer
Marauder
Orion

Assault:
Awesome
Zeus
Battlemaster

I welcome your opinions.

Nice choices but I might have added the Thunderbolt, and Griffon.

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

Agreed, but needs more Lights and Mediums, Panther for instances, Hunchback and Centurion if they're ok with the time line

Doh'! Forgot about the Thunderbolt!

I would have mentioned Jenner, but it was in the video, so i'm gonna figure it's a given.

I'm also fond of the Firestarter, but i much prefer its Omni-Mech version, which is actually a medium mech, so i get conflicted.

That gets me to thinking, I hope they have flamers in the game!

I always loved these:

Thug. 80 ton Assault. First built in 2572.
Flashman. 75 ton laser boat. First built in 2701.
Dragon. 60 tons. Adopted by the Dracs in 2754. This one should be in since we will be fighting the Dracs for the planet.


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Beowulf

Highlander HGN-733: 90 Tons


1 Holly LRM-20
1 Mydron Class B Autocannon/10
1 Holly SRM-6
2 Martell Medium Lasers

Maximum Speed: 53.75 km/h
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Draconis Affiliated

Stalker STK-3F: 85 tons

2 Magna Mk III Large Lasers
2 Jackson B5c LRM-10s
2 Thunderstroke SRM-6s
4 Magna Mk II Medium Lasers

Maximum Speed: 53.75 km/h

BattleMaster BLR-1G: 85 Tons

1 Donal PPC
1 Holly SRM-6
6 Martell Medium Lasers
2 Sperry Browning Machine Guns

Maximum Speed: 64.5 km/h

Thug THG-10E: 80 Tons

2 Donal PPCs
2 Holly SRM-4s

Affiliation FWL
Maximum Speed: 64.5 km/h

Awesome AWS-8Q: 80 tons

3 Kreuss PPCs
1 Diverse Optics Type 10 Small Laser

Affiliation FWL
Maximum Speed: 53.75 km/h

Marauder MAD-3R: 75 tons

2 Magna PPC
1 GM Whirlwind Autocannon/5
2 Magna Mk II Medium Laser

Maximum Speed: 64.5 km/h

Archer ARC-2R: 70 tons

2 Doombud LRM 20s
4 Diverse Optics Type 18 Medium Lasers

Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h

Thunderbolt TDR-5S: 65 tons

1 Sunglow Type 2 Large Laser
1 Delta Dart LRM 15
3 Diverse Optics Type 18 Medium Lasers
1 Bical SRM 2
2 Voelkers 200 Machine Guns

Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h

Jagermech JM6-S:65 tons

2 Mydron Model C Autocannon/5s
2 Mydron Model D Autocannon/2s
2 Magna Mk II Medium Lasers

Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
affiliation davion

Hi trothkin!
Five years since I last logged in here.
I had to wrestle with my password for 1,5 hours before I got in :p

And now that I am finally here I am going to make a silly suggestion too, so I could just as well had saved my energy.

I want the Kodiak to be in the game.
The developers can, if they wish, make up a really, really weird and un-logical story about how it got there.
I do not really care.

Summoner and Hellbringer would be nice to...
Yeah.. uhm

Great to be back guys!

I am surprised no one has yet to bring up The Stinger, Wasp, Phoenix Hawk LAMs.

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

Oh PLEASE! No LAMS to the slaughter!!!

Major William "Billybones" Ebaugh
AKA "Chopped Liver"
Commander, Delta Division
PaleRiders UeberUrbie Brigade

"Except for a nice MLT: a mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They're so perky, I love that."

I am so exited about this anoucement, I can believe the day is finally here. I have to say I am a little pusle about why they went back to 3015 when the last proper Mewarrior was at the end of the Fedcom civil war and the beginning of the juhad. I guess they will try to reboot the franchise.

I need some help 3015 is the start of the 4th sucession war, right? Just before the firast wabe of clanner. No chance to see any clan tech in this one I guess.

Concerning the topic I want to see the Mauler most of all, is the perfect heavy (innersphere has). And the Highlander, is never bee4n featured in a MW, unless you include the expansion packs for MW4, thought it was poorly done and felt clumsy.

3014-3015 - Marik civil war
3028-3030 - 4th Succession war; Technology starts to re-emerge and Battlemech construction begins anew. With more Mechs available, Mechwarriors lose their elite, knight-like, public status.

http://www.localditch.com/mechwarrior/timeline.html

course FWL was known for its civil wars so should be fun!
in another 15yrs you get duchy of andurian and canopus starting another one.

course looks like we're in FS so probably all about ian davion just getting killed by the kuritas.

2866: Operation Pendragon begins, Third Succession War begins
...
3013: Hanse Davion named Prince, Ian Davion killed, Michael Hasek-Davion named Duke of New Syrtis
3015: New Avalon Institute of Science formed
3022: Federated-Commonwealth Alliance Document signed
3025: Third Succession War ends
...
3028: Fourth Succession War begins

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Federated_Suns/Timeline

3015 is about right if you want all the classic lvl 1 tech/mechs/etc. no bloody ER, XL, LBX, or pulse.

hi hi

I wonder if they will skip the "destroy the mech factory," missions for the setting's sake.

My favorite part about level 1 tech is: No double heat sinks. Autocannon look a lot more appealing when you need to spend a full ton to sink a point of heat.

karl
(aka the snow cheetah)

So gotta agree with loving the level one tech. Makes you really think through a mechs setup before you walk it into a fight. Also will help keep the "Alpha Strike Rangers" down when even use of jump jets can spike your heat. Hopefully we will get rid of the whack a mole that seemed to be the only tactic of MW4.

"I do whatever my Rice Crispies tell me to do!"

"The voices in my head tell me you have serious mental problems"

Firefly
30 Tons
Max Speed 86 km/h
Jump Range 120 meters
3 Med Lasers
4 Sml Lasers
1 LRM 5

Jenner (of course)
35 tons
118 km/h
Jump Range 150 meters
1 SRM4
4 Med Lasers

Whitworth
40 tons
Max Speed 64.8 km/h
Jump Range 120
2 LRM 10
3 Med Lasers

Centurion
50 tons
64 km/h
1 AC/10
1 LRM 10
2 Med Lasers

Crab
50 tons
86 km/h
2 LRG Lasers
1 Med Laser
1 SML Laser

Trebuchet
50 tons
86 km/h
2 LRM 15
3 Med Lasers

Dervish
55 tons
86 km/h
Jump 150 meters
2 LRM 10
2 Med Lasers
2 SRM 2

hi hi

I wonder if mechs that don't have lower arm actuators will be able to rotate their arms and fire backwards. That'd make for some interesting tactics with mechs like the Jenner. Though in single player mode, I suppose it also depends on how competent the AI is going to be.

karl
(aka the snow cheetah)

Light
Cougar, gotta dig the hurt the little guy can bring

Med
Bushwacker, I know it's not really the best med but, it has a good mix of speed and firepower and it just looks so cool.

Heavy
Nova Cat, no bones about it, with the right mix of lasers and heat management, nothing stands in it's way. No Atlas, Zeuse, Mad Cat or Diashi. I've burned em all.

Assault
Diashi, again, it just looks so cool. Walking death incarnate

Man I'm really sorry but none of these mechs will be in the game. The time period is 3015 and it is level 1 tech. No clan and none of the later mechs. There will be some really great older mechs though so rejoice.

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Beowulf

I want

Locust
Hunchback
Jagermech
Rifleman
Archer
Victor
Zeus
Marauder

Sorry if I got some Mechs that are later models.

Don't be sorry, you didn't get any later mechs

Major William "Billybones" Ebaugh
AKA "Chopped Liver"
Commander, Delta Division
PaleRiders UeberUrbie Brigade

I would like to see.
Light
Spider
Commando
Panther
Valkyrie

Medium
Shadow Hawk
Centurion

Heavy
Archer
Orion
Marauder
Thunderbolt
Catapult
Grasshopper

Assualt
Stalker
Battle Master
Goliath

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.

Ok Trying to limit myself to 4 of each and keeping to the date in question my list would be;

Light;

Jenner - 35
Commando - 25
UrbanMech - 30
Stinger - 20

Medium;

Centurion - 50 (must have)
Trebuhet - 50
Hunchback - 50 (must have)
Blackjack - 45

Heavy;

Orion - 75
Rifleman - 60
Warhammer - 70
Shootist - 70

Assault;

Atlas - 100
Battlemaster - 85 (pretty please sorely missed since mw1)
Highlander - 90
Zeus - 80
Victor - 80

It's a great shame the Mauler didn't appear till 3050+ as it's one of my favorites. I think at release it will have some where between 12 and 18 mechs that's what my gut tells me.

Why do people want the blackjack? That Mech was such a piece, the chassis could not handle the amount of sinks necessary to make it a worthwhile machine. It was not until the advent of double sinks that the blackjack was made viable.

The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.

Mechs that are Iconic to me, form what i think is that era:

Light:
Commando
Wasp
Panther


Medium:
Centurion
Hatchetman
Hunchback
Assassin
Vindicator
Hollander II

Heavy:
Orion
Warhammer
Catapult
marauder

Assault:
Atlas
Awesome
Stalker
Thug
Cyclops
Highlander
Zeus
Victor

Ok I'm going there...

Tanks
Von Luckner Heavy Tank 75T
Mobile Long Tom Artillery 50T

Aerospace
Stuka 100T
Chippewa 90T
Transgressor 75T
Stingray 60T

Honestly like in my other post, while I'm sure that since this is the first in a reimaging of Mechwarrior it'll be mechs, I still think it is time they flush out the mixed vehicle portion of the Battletech universe. I'm serious. Chilling in my Von Luckner in a building drinking a Dew. Drac atlas just comes strolling down the street. Pass by, unlock the safties on that LRM10, rev that f-er up, plow thru the wall and light that son bitches arse up with an alpha to the back baby!

Or like in Chromehounds with my aptly name BFG Hound. I had three of those big cannons or whatever they were and long ranged em' into oblivion. Kind of accidently did a lot of friendly damage to lol! Long Tom time baby. I can see it now, scouting lance coming into my house.
"This is long tom major tom to scout, tell me where to make it rain down on dem hoes copy?"
"Coordinates 05 Tango 2"
"Here comes da rain"
"Damn that Jenner just ate it hard and the rest are running"

Or my aerospace line jacked from heavy mechs's with jump jets "Death From Above" baby!

I agree. Vehicles and aerospace would be great.

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hi hi

Aerospace:
Corsair 50t
Slayer 80t
Lucifer 65t
Seydlitz 20t
Cheetah 25t

Honestly, there aren't many fighters in the books, but the above are the ones I think look cool.

And for tanks, no matter what else goes in, the Vedette should be in there. Afterall, it is supposedly the popular and common tank in the Inner Sphere.

Others super common vehicles probably should include

Rommel 65t
Swiftwind 7.5t
Pegasus 35t

karl
(aka the snow cheetah)

The BJ is an awesome mech and I had many great duels and battles with it in MPBT and 3025.I could easily turn an atlas ct orange or red with the AC/2's and then move in with the lasers and jets.

The smoke jaguar fights like a true warrior.No deceit, no subterfuge a single, brutal assault, both open and deadly.A powerful spring from above,a slash of its huge claws across its victim's throat, and its prey lies dead before it."Smoke Jaguars Forever!

without the "Timberwolf" and "Mad Dog" it isnt really a Mechwarrior game.

"Let's hear it for the pansies in the light mechs.....WAY TO GO LIGHT MECHS!" - Duncan Fisher

*Shakes head*

Wth Rifleman is a MEDIUM mech?
(well they said the Argus was medium mech in MW4 too)

Anyone know of a jump-capable PPC toting mech not named the Panther?
(Hmmm BattleAxe?)

Anyways the Grasshopper (looks appealing to me)
GHR-5H
70-tons
1x LLaser
4x MLaser
1x LRM5
65kph and jump-capable
(wonder if this version would be availale in that time period)

"Jumpjets don't suck, they blow"

I want my battlemaster... i really really want my battlemaster.

Aleksandr Kerensky
Commander of the
Grim Reaper's Company

comeon Yeach.

Griffin!

weren't all the ax types ac10-ers

Gotta have the Bushwhacker in there!!

Its old tech, cheap, simple and works well.

PS, holy crap, Hawkeye!! Hiya brotha!

bushwacker didnt come around till later i thought? 3050-3060?

I just reregistered on this site, and have visited on and off for the past 10 years hoping to get just this kind of news, a new MW game. Woohoo!

While I was hoping it would take the form of an MMO, the fact that it isn't doesn't crush my interest by any means. The only thing that I've become somewhat concerned about is the timeframe in which the game is set. Having originally become interested in MW with MW2, I tend to be a clan mech kinda guy. While there are some IS designs that aren't bad, they just don't do it for me for the most part. Since the game is set prior to the introduction of the clans from what I can tell, their tech and mechs assumably won't be present either.

Just to clarify, is it correct that the following mechs are clan only and will not be able to reasonably find their way into the game?

Storm Crow
Thor
Mad Cat
Avatar
Vulture

Are the following clan mechs, and could they make it into the game?

Uziel
Thanatos
Loki
Shadowcat
Raven
Awesome

As you can see, design wise I'm predisposed to prefer chicken walkers on average. Overall though, I want a mech that makes me think "walking tank" more than it makes me think "robot" if that makes any sense. I never shared the widespread love of the Atlas for instance (don't hit me).

Since I never played tabletop Battletech, and am not an expert on all the possible designs in the game's universe, what kinds of other mechs that might make sense within the timeframe of this game might appeal to me?

I found this wiki link and have been going through the mechs, trying to find pics of them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BattleMechs

Edit:

To better define what I mean by "walking tank" over a "robot" I mean that it should not have hands or a face and should have a bulky rather than sleek look. Again, chicken walkers are preferred as well but that isn't critical. The Thor, for instance, succeeds in the walking tank look without being a chicken walker.

top tier all except the avatar.
but the avatar is an IS omni which means it's a 3055 era mech.

loki and shadowcat are clan
thanatos is also an IS omni IIRC
uziel don't recall, think that was mw4 custom, but might have been retconned, nope.

raven is older, not sure. it's more 3028 era
awesome is classic so should be a candidate for 3015.

"To better define what I mean by "walking tank" over a "robot" I mean that it should not have hands or a face and should have a bulky rather than sleek look."

you sound like a perfect candidate for an Urbanmech.
Perhaps you've heard of PUB. Sounds promising doesn't it. Sounds like Beer! I understand there are in fact alcoholic beverages involved. Please contact the nearest recruiting officer.
I'm sure crowfoot, billybones, shrike or any of the other moderators would be Happy to abduct you.

OMG, he hasn't heard of the PUB! Come here my man, sit down have a beer or two or three, yeah, drink up, that's right, just sign here on the dotted line, yes, correct, you are now a part of the PUB, no, you can't get out now, it is a life membership you know...

CHEESE!!!!! Come here!!!! Fresh meat!!!!!!! Good cheese, good boy!!!!!!

Major William "Billybones" Ebaugh
AKA "Chopped Liver"
Commander, Delta Division
PaleRiders UeberUrbie Brigade

for shame billybones you forgot to show him the barracks.

http://www.tro42.com/PUB/index.html

not that that's nearly as important as the bar.

Gah! Urbanmechs everywhere! I'm surrounded by hostile beer cans of doom! ...and probably Pabst Blue Ribbon to boot, yech!!

Have any of the previous mechwarrior games used the urbanmech? MW2 had it maybe?

Now, I'm confused...which is pretty much par for the course I might add...but what is this PUB all about? MW4 or something else?

I'm pretty sure Uziel is IS chassis

The Uziel is Inner Sphere.

My favorite mechs are mostly Clan Mechs (Shadowcat, Mad Cat, Vulture) or late-tech Inner Sphere (Bushwacker, Mauler).
Anyway, I do like the Dragon and the Awesome.

And well, as long as there's different tech (like, Kreuss, Donell and Magna PPC's are all different) and there's a mech hangar, I don't really care all that much.
Pulse lasers will promote increasing your skill so I would be happy if they're included.

I've gotta agree. I've just completed a visual inspection of every mech in the battletech universe, and with just a few exceptions, the mechs I think look good tend to be clan or later inner sphere as well. It just seems like the game designers didn't have their groove on when the tabletop game was first released, and they later did a radical rethink on what the mechs in their universe should look like.

I think we need to pick a different time period as the setting for this game.

I've chosen that select 7 Mechs due to their weapon layout and capabilities. I don't really care much about looks. Gameplay is what matters.
And the MW 4 Mechs are doing quite well in this point. As long as 4 ERPPC combo's are banned, that is.

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My English grammar isn't all that good...

Oh come now, aesthetics are important to everyone to some degree! Part of the fun is feeling like your ride is as sweet looking as it performs...and to most folks that'll be important...which makes it important to the developers, so the vast majority of players (lay players mind you) buy the game.

4 PPC combo? Not sure the significance of your reference on this, but as I recall in my MW4 days, PPC's were usually a bad choice. Their damage were only slightly better than ER large lasers, but weighed alot more, used more space, and generated much more heat with only that "screw up your HUD" effect to compensate. Overall the downsides vastly outweighed the upsides.

My memories are 10 years old, but as I recall my most devestating mechs were a Novacat with every slot packing ER large lasers I used on the moon map, and a city map Daishi packing every clanner LBX-10 I could fit on it.

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My English grammar isn't all that good...

I was playing Vengeance...and hey, ya may be right. It's been many 'o year and information like the actually stats of the weapons are lost from my brain. All I remeber was that at the time, I felt that the ER PPC's had a negative cost/benefit compared to the ER large lasers, which also, as I recall, recycled faster and always hit right where I pointed them.

At the time, I remember that the holy grail mech I was trying to build was the "keep on 'o rockin' me baby" loadout. I wanted to have a set of weapons that I could chain fire, each hit creating the "screw up your aim" knock effect, and by the time I finished cycling through the weapons, the first had recharged. Unfortunately, no matter what I put together, there was always an achilles heel to the design. Of course, mechlab was always one of my favorite features of the mechwarrior games. I spent the better part of my time playing the game, just sitting in the lab trying to put together new designs to eek out small competative advantages.

Out of curiosity, what drives the hard impact and knockdown effects in MW4? Is it the amount of damage done simultaneously versus the tonnage of the mech being hit? Does anyone know what the actual behind the scenes statistics on this are? i.e. "any medium mech that takes 20 damage all at once will have its aim severely disrupted" for example.

dunno, i've got a soft spot for the locust and jenner.

the jenner is a little funny looking at first, but it grows on ya.

the urbie...well the urbie how can you Not like R2D2 with guns sticking out in a rather ungainly mess.

spider seemed kinda freaky to me. but does whatever a spider can.

it is true the art got a lot better over time, but the tech got a lot messier too. they fell into a classic design trap of making more and more potent stuff, particularly for the clans to highlight their technical superiority.
the old 3025 era tech list is pretty fricken tight!
the numerics with the specified measures does tend to make things a little strange without some mental gymnastics, but hey we're playing giant robots in the future, use some suspension of disbelief coupled with black box macguffins.

personally for mw4 I tended towards lokis, scats, and finally settled on argi, dragon was like the left handed twin of the argus although it always felt a more roll-e to me.

I agree that the Jenner is ok.

I think that they might be able to get away with alot of the older tech, but they might also have to be a little creative when rendering the mechs. Add some visible bulky armor to those "mechs" that look like pure robots, get rid of the corny hands and heads...that sort of thing.

There were a number of older mechs I looked at that seemed passable with a small amount of modification.

consider the now contraband warhammer in the trailer.

has all the basic design elements in a pretty recognisable format, but much more mw4 styled. kinda like the mw4 vulture.

personally i've always liked the concept of hands.
being able to grasp and manipulate objects is likely a very useful capability. otherwise why the hell bother with a mech. make a tank, on tracks even (more partial to hover myself). although it might be kinda interesting to make a tank with a firing platform that can be raised, giving a deeper meaning to hull down.

now, some of the hand held weapons pods are a little...odd. but whatever.
in the case of one-shot box launchers it might even make some sense.

ah! got the perfect mech for you. the scorpion
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scorpion_(BattleMech)

course it's a quad, and the last time i saw a quad in mw was mw2. I think it was an AI mech. don't remember being able to drive one. the tarantula IIRC.

Yea, I think the Warhammer is a nice looking mech. If I could make one design change I'd say shorter arm barrels. How the hell does that thing maneuver in an urban environment with those damn things! LOL
Overall though, the Warhammer was probably the mech that everyone loved and designers said "hey, we should make our mechs look more like this!"

The Scorpion is a decent looking machine. My main criticism doesn't come from its look but rather that it's 4 legged design doesn't suggest "Mechwarrior" to me. I think there's a gulf between the culture of a Mechwarrior fan and a long term Battletech fan. To an old BT person, there's a lot more variety of equipment that keeps the flavor they're looking for, including those robot mech like this walking garbage pile of stupid http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cossack . If you come from mechwarrior, it's an aerospance fighter, bomber, a couple different tanks and other land vehicles, infantry, and a particular style of mech...and that's pretty much it.

i just want a lavagun and 3 second invincibility shields..... hahahahahahahaha......

..... and what they found was just a statue standing where the statue got me hi !!!!

Hi, I'm new here but not to Mechwarrior. Loved 2 and 3 but hated 4

Hoping MW5 is like the teaser trailers we are seeing, and that it actually will be produced!

I would like to see the following mechs:

Light:

The Puma.. versatile and packs a serious punch

http://mw.mechlivinglegends.net/index.php?title=Puma

Medium:

The Bushwacker. This medium mech can take out much larger foes and is very versatile and maneuverable

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bushwacker

Heavy mechs:

The Orion (Very versatile and tough) and the Thor (Bad boy)

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Orion

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Summoner_%28Thor%29

The Annihilator.. my favorite assault mech. One feature some may have missed is it's tall height as well as it's head having a large weapon mount which allows an ER Large laser to be mounted for sniping over obstacles (Yeah, I know, no ER in MW5) This mech screams for a MASC !

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Annihilator
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Final comments for this post.. salvage and a mech lab are ESSENTIAL for this game.. I hope the developers are listening?

I want you for salvage. Your parts, give me them

Nice necropost. haven't been back here in a while, ah fun times.

Actually I was really disappointed with MW2 when i first started playing. nothing worked how i thought it would work. then i let that go and enjoyed it. it's odd how the wacky bounding spheres interactions created essentially a random hit location effect. well ok so the right arm always went first, but tagging important sections was always a challenge.

It seems unlikely that MW5 will be entirely like the teasers. you see a little bit of how it could be from the cockpit view. However, since Harmony Gold is upholding Battletech's agreement with them to abandon all the macross/robotech imagery, stuff like the warhammer won't be in, not sure about the atlas, not robotech, so ought to be clear.

If they stick with the 3015 setting, stuff like clan tech and omnimechs probably aren't going to be in for setting reasons (hadn't been invented/introduced yet).
This includess: Puma (clan), Bushwacker (3058 mech), Summoner/Thor (clan)

oddly, annihilator seems to have prior history all the way back to the exodus and reappeared with the Dragoons in 3009.

puma's hard to match in era. Best i can manage is javelin w/ 2 srm6.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Javelin
panther might also work, but gives up a ppc and some speed.

bushwacker's a bit easier. there are a bunch of good 50-55T mechs, i kinda like the starslayer or crab for weapons.

based on bryan eckman's blog i guess piranha is still working on mw5, probably just slower. so here's hoping they come out with something good.

Thanks. My link indicates the Summoner was developed just after 2863

"Barely a second generation OmniMech, the Jade Falcons introduced the Summoner just after becoming the first Clan to win OmniMech technology from Clan Coyote in 2863. The Summoner earned the code name Thor for its powerful, yet simple arsenal"

I wasn't aware that the Puma and Bushwhacker were such late mechs. I'm not a huge student of timelines, though. Let's hope something good comes out of this new effort, and PLEASE no "hopping mechs" ala MW4

I want you for salvage. Your parts, give me them

yes, operative phrases. Omnimech, Jade Falcon.

So you'd have summoner/thors in the pentagon worlds, but not with the dragoons. aside from which they're front line mechs not something lousy freebirths would be permitted to ride.
clantech doesn't get to IS until the invasion. although since it's operating in a semi-mystical lostech mode, you can have all sorts of wonky gear if you like showing up, they're just more or less one-offs, when they break you don't get more.

in theory, the mech bays would be a very different thing from what we're used to with Mechwarrior games. less production perfect machines than cobbled together from whatever you can scrounge type stuff. 3015 is back in lostech times.

you don't like the poptarts? (yeah yeah, not a good term). but they're so sugary and packaged pastry-like. actually the tactic is recorded in the 3025 TRO for the phoenix hawk. phoenix hawks exploiting sensor interference and jumpjets to do hit and run using, i think two, ridgelines, presumably jump up, shoot, jump to cover.

course with only one large laser limited to 15 hexes it probably wouldn't hurt as much as the 6 ERLL you get with MW4.

if i'm not mistaken sarna.net has several timelines so can catchup on the backstory a little. it'll help prevent mixing your succession wars tech with your clan tech or even Star League tech. technology was in decay during the target period, on the cusp of a renaissance though, NAIS is created in the target year. The example I like for highlighting the tech decay was the bit of fluff for the Marauder's armor, which i think eventually made it's way into modern rules as hardened or reflective or somesuch specialty armor.

I know what you mean about being surprised by the bushwacker being such a late generation mech it gives the sense of a much older design philosophy, same with the argus, ah well, there's always hope for the sentinel.

Being an almost exclusive light mech pilot I would like to see like mechs have more utility in a Mechwarrior game. One thing that would be great would be the ability to jam radar or target locking. Or possibly the ability to TAG an enemy mech for heavier missile boats. Sort of bring the Scouting abilities that are vital to any type of warfare to the for-front. Anyways the Mech's I would love to see are

Commando
Panther
Vindicator (good top end speed)
Valkyrie
Jenner
Mongoose
Javelin
Raven (Might be a little bit early for it I believe liao rolled it out a bit after 3015)
Enforcer
Crab
Centurion
Hunchback
BlackJack
Sentinel

Don't be surpized if all the classic unseen mechs are in the the game as reseen, (redesigned Mechs)

i forgot two mechs

Wolverine
Shadowhawk.
My one and only love of a heavy mech is
Orion

I especially like these two. Wolverine for its high end speed and jump capability and the Shadow hawk because it can take down heavier mechs. Orion because that thing is just a beast.

a bit off topic but

im drooling over if we could use this on MW 5

http://kotaku.com/5727705/watch-a-5000-game-controller-land-a-plane-in-las-vegas

a bit pricey but I can buy parts one at a time

mechs that need to be added into this game
medium:
shadow hawk
blackjack

heavy:
guilotine 70 tons

assault:
banshee 90 or 95 tons i can't remember (high end speed for it's size very well rounded)
thug 80 tons

i forgot ot mention that the inital clan invasion of the inner sphere began with a battle in the perphiarey in either 3049 or 3050. so unless the developers want to destroy the franchise, there will be zero clan mechs unless they add in a clan exclusive expansion that revolves around the harvest trials by the way: my favorite assault mecs in the inner sphere are the bn-5s banshee and the vtr-9k victor