I am the eternal optimist, so I am keeping my fingers crossed. But I am wondering if anyone can offer any reasons why we might actually hear a Mech 5 announcement at E3? (I know all the reasons why we might NOT hear one). Perhaps we could hear one in association with Longhorn? Again, I have no idea. I'm just hoping.

Nope - can't think of a single thing.

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We'll probably hear about Mechassault 3 on teh Xbox2.

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Ouch

Didn't think about that. You are probably right.

LOL!
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Mechwarrior 4 line has been around for what? 5 years? theres been 5 E3's since then? hmmm...

im thinking we wont hear from it this year, just like last year, just like the year before.

doesnt mean that i am not hoping! please! id rather have MW5 than see Jesus' rebirth before i die...ah well.




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I think the only hope left, is that M$ sells the licence.

Mechwarrior.... Has Evolved! Bout freaking time!!!!

I don't know, I think there's a slim chance we'll see a MW5 that only runs on Longhorn in 2 or 3 years.

no we will no see it im sure.

ypu won't see/hear about it this year at all since its been strongly suggested that Xbox 2 (Xenon) is supposedly going to be shipping for a holiday 2005 timetable (or spring 2006 at the very latest). MS will be putting all the capital and creative juice into that platform as they need to get a leg up on Sony's machine which is due out next year. As someone mentioned, it would be more beneficial to us for MS to at least liscense the IP for the PC platform than look for MS/FASA themselves to do it.

OK. This is what drives me crazy. Not only have we had rumors from seemingly credible people on this board, but now there is this:

http://www.mektek.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=13&t=37496&s=0410d7f6d8cb934d93fe872e9e4eea3a


What the hell is that about?

Don’t know what that is, I don't read the mektek forums. I think if a new MW PC game is made by Microsoft or Fasa it will be based in the Dark Age story line. If that is good or bad is up to you. I now think it wouldn't be all that bad if the license was sold to someone else. Preferably back to Actaivision, or even Sega. It would Be cool for mw to get a fresh start, even if it means drastic changes to the story, and game play. Just about all the cool stories in CBT have been used except the battle of Tykicdde. Actavision has the "Rome total" war engine, and saga has announced a consol action game using it called "Spartan total warrior." Why not a mech action game/sim using it to give us the large-scale battles everyone wants, such as the battle of tukayyid. Imagine a few hundred clan and comstar mechs , tanks, and infantry fighting it out. I just convinced myself fasa has to give up MW for it's own good, wow

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here is a link that tells all about mechwarrior 5 ... with a few hundred articles about it being canceled. A few of them have Von quoted from the forum here, and a link back.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22mechwarrior+5%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt

http://www.DeathDealerMercenaries.com

Yeah, I know. I really doubt this is a MS game Mektek is talking about. Must be their own game and some admin just couldn't contain himself. Either that or its some sort of strange misinformation / viral marketing campaign. If it is their own game, good for them. They will fully reveal it in their own time.

What does it say, I can't get to the mektek forums?


--Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared-

One of their admins started a thread in several different spots in the forums, entitled "MW5 Demo is Out". All the threads were then "Moved", but apparently they were deleted except for the title and there is no access to them. Then, another Admin posts a message saying something like "Stop starting threads about MW5. We are not allowed to talk about it." Weird. I never saw the original message. I only saw it after it had been "Moved".

Must be their annual april fools joke. Probably not the last well hear about it until april 2 that is.


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I am a firm believer we will see an announcement for a game that is not Battletech related.

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I guess, being the eternal optimist that I am, that I would love an announcement about MW5 or even MC3

**Hoping the Unseen become Magic's property**

Not one to trifle with the bloody azures, nor one that's ready to size a machinists onslaught, but in the dim cybernetic networks of corporations you will find those who depart the shadows.

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I think it was at the end of 2003 or early 2004, when things were looking bleak, that I prophesized that it would not be until at least 2007 before we saw a PC based MW game. I'm holding on to that guess even though I think its more like 2008. That's a long time between games.

"Let's hear it for the pansies in the light mechs.....WAY TO GO LIGHT MECHS!" - Duncan Fisher

hell yeah it is. if they are going to make us wait this damned long it better be great.

any with an opinion to Crescent_Hawk0's MC3 statement; we won't see that for a long assed either. if ms and wizkids etc. make the mc games like the mw sagas we should see 2 more mc2s in the future then a mc3. example: Mechcommander, then Mechcommander Gold, Mechcommander 2, and then the rest of a Mechcommander 2 trillogy. Just like the mw games mw1, mw2 tillogy, mw3, mw3x, mw4 trillogy and then hopefully mw5

I think the only hope we'll have of seeing a MW title for the PC will be if TJ can convince Jordan to let Day1 make one. A PC based game will be a bit outside the Xbox (so to speak) for Day1 though.

Regardless, It'll be 2008 for a release and it will be Dark Age based, not the classic BT timeline. There's just not that much more to do in the classic timeline in a PC game anyway.

"Let's hear it for the pansies in the light mechs.....WAY TO GO LIGHT MECHS!" - Duncan Fisher

I'm still hoping mw gets sold to a different devolper. Not that ms doesn't make good games. they just don't make mw games. but than has ms ever sold anything of their's in their history, ever.

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This is total speculation, but I just saw over at the Futuremark forums a thread that said Computer Gaming World would have an exclusive next month about the return of a popular game series. Don't know what that might be, but of course I am hoping its MW5!

And on a related note...look here:

http://www.mechnexus.net/html/

Is that Starsiege 2845 running on a PSP? Could this be the game series CGW magazine was referring to?

If so, why couldn't Mektek be up to something similiar? i.e., Landing a development deal for MW5 for real $? Just some more pure speculation. (Of course the game would be for PC...right? RIGHT???)

As I continue with my complete course of speculation, I must point out that Odipherous (the poster of this story at Mechnexus) is no longer with the site. Could he have been fired for posting the story? I am sure I have no idea. However, the tone did seem a bit cutting toward the 2845 team. Not sure if it was deserved or not.

**Hoping the Unseen become Magic's property**

Hey Crescent_Hawk! I will look for you there. As for me, I am just a lurker at this point. Maybe I should join in the fun!

Just got here this date (timestamp);

PLEAZ PLEAZ PLEAZ tell me that there is actually a M5 project!

I'll now go and read the rest of all forums\threads\M5..........

But just for a moment there, I really thought that the major money I've spent up-grading the box, and getting the 'just right' controllers might come to fruition vis a online mech league.

Never mind, I'll go view the Kali boards, eh?

CX_L`zard

"I have the heart of a little child, and the brain of a genius; I keep them in a jar under my bed!"

Dude...Check out

http://www.mechwarriorleagues.com/cgi-bin/main/index.cgi

also

http://www.netbattletech.com/

Kali has been dead a very long time. These are the two major leagues. As for MW5, there are two community based Mercs expansions already in play. Many new community generated games are being planned so I guess you could call these unofficial MW5 games.

Well I am no expert on anything, but I have been playing
Mechwarrior in all it's various incarnations for a long
time. I think the only version I don't have and haven't
played is Mech 2 for the Saturn (but I do have Mech 2 for
the PS1). I even set up one of my old 486's as a CHI, CHR,
Mechwarrior 1 box.

That all doesn't mean a thing, but it does give me some
perspective. I used to buy any magazine that even mentioned
Mechwarrior on the cover. And I am constantly prowling the
net hoping to unearth that first little news blurb about
any forthcoming Mechwarrior game.

So I can't even begin to state anything as fact, but there
are some things that just tend to follow a pattern.

If we hear about a PC version of Mech 5 now you can be asured
it will be two years before it gets to market (i.e. 2007 at
the earliest). That just seems to be typical of most PC games.

Console games seem to make it to market alot faster and with
E3 coming up, as well as the new Microsoft console coming out,
it would be easy to get our collective hopes up for a Mech 5
announcement.

The one thing I haven't seen mentioned about the Next box
recently is if in fact it is still going to use USB connections
for the controllers.
I read this a while back somewhere and it peaked my interest
because Mechwarrior is a joystick game and Microsoft did at one
time sell their sidewinder joystick with a copy of Mechwarrior 2.
So to my mind it would follow that having the rights to Mechwarrior
(a game begging for a joystick). Not to mention Microsofts flight
sim stuff, plus a new supposedly very powerful console coming out
that could help these titles look phenominal. It would be foolish
on Microsofts part not to use the Mechwarrior license to help drive
console sales.

Now going off of memory I thought part of Microsofts XNA
architecture dealt with convergance and cosolidation of
controllers across PC and console platforms.

So with that said, many of the same reasons that make a console
Mechwarrior version seem like a good idea also apply to making
Mech 5 a Longhorn tech demo of some kind. I know I remember, but
there was a time when it seemed like every 3d card on the market
came with a specialized version of Mech 2. Ati, Matrox, S3(I think),
and there was even a special version of Mech 2 Mercs that was
marketed on the box as being optimized for the 3dfx cards.

So what we have (at least historically) is a game (franchise?)
that has proven that it can sell hardware. I for one have no
intention of buying a new PC until I have a game worth playing
on it. And for me there is only one game I have ever been willing
to upgrade for, any guesses?

So the real question is how best does Microsoft think they can
exploit this property? The next box? Longhorn? Maybe a combination.
If I get a console version great it'll probably save me $1500.
If it's a PC only game great! I'll have a reason to get one of
them dual core cpu's with an SLI setup and a big monitor or maybe
a projector, wouldn't that be nice.

So it comes down to where Microsoft thinks the most money can
be made.

And here's an idea, Microsoft could get some key players together
(intel, amd, nvidia, ati) not that they would want to work together,
but bring some of them together (for the good of mankind)and create
the ultimate technology demo. They could call it a MOVIE and since
graphics in this day and age are usually pretty mind blowing and
people like to see stuff blow up real good. It would be near
impossible to see Battlemechs fighting it out on the big screen
and not be motivated to go buy a new killer dual core SLI enabled
Longhorn PC running that hot new Microsoft Battlemech Simulator 5.0

Am I off topic yet?

Anyway there is always hope isn't there?

I would bet we see a Mechassault 3 before Mech 5 and I would expect
we would need a real good showing sales wise from Mech 5 before we
would get another Mechcommander type game.

Side note:
What is that old saying about the good old days? I don't remember.
But I do remember that with every single Mechwarrior game there was
an uproar on the message boards about how horrible this version is
and why can't they make it like it was in Mechwarrior(insert #)

I was beginning to think Activision really was the devil with all
the venom that got hurled their way. Zipper actually came into
Mech 3 really late as I recall. I don't remember exactly but I
think the project lead bailed to go work on Unreal or something
and Mech 3 came to a point where it just wasn't getting done and
zipper was brought in to finish up. They did a good job too.

If Microsoft sold the license I am sure people would be all over
the boards waxing reminiscent about how good the Mechwarrior 4
series was and why did Microsoft have to sell it. I hope they
don't. I think Microsoft has faith in the Mechwarrior universe
and they realize that the mod community has raised the bar and
the fans expect more now than we ever did before. I think Microsoft
is up to the challenge and I am sure that in the end we'll be glad
they took the time to do it right. (But waiting sucks.)

Well that was a whole lot of typing to not really say anything. I
do like my movie idea though, jeez they could probaby write it of
their taxes as advertizing or something.

Well I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but '07 seems the most realistic.

Yeah, what he said....




Passivism is a good idea, but It can getcha killed.

From what I've heard microsoft will continue the story of the Word of Blake Jihad on the x-box and next-box. The people who made Mechwarrior4 are laying low and currently won't have anything to do with Mechwarrior5 because of the bad press regarding the weapons, armor placement and weapons damage that violated the rules set by Classic Battletech.
MechAssault maybe popular, however keep in mind that there are many who won't have anything to do with MechAssault 1 and 2 because of the blatant violation of the Classic Battletech rules.
So if there is a chance for a Mechwarior5 it will probably take place in the Mechwarrior Darkage universe and follow the rules set by the Mechwarrrior Darkage table top game.
A a reminder The MechAssault games seem to follow the Darkage rules rather than the Classic Battletech rules. Lastly I talked to a few people at gameing hobby stores and online and it seems that there are many who are dissing MechAssault and MechWarrior Darkage because of horrid game play and violation of the Classic Battletech rules.

What bad press? So a few die hard BT fans didn't like the weapon values. It's suppossed tob e a simulation/action game, even Battletech doesn't simluate well, it's watered down for human consumption.

Mechassault isn't intended to be a Classic BT translation, action game, plain and simple. Same things goes for Dark Age, it isn't suppossed to be like Classic Battletech anymore than the Battletech card was, different games all together. And classic is still available, so pick your poison.




--Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared-

As soon as production costs started to rise, and the little Indy Game devs started to either ban together for survival or just go under completely, that was the death nell of the cool games. Now it just seems that game devs are pawns for the Publishers.

I remember when you had a huge choice of what to buy on the shelves. Now it is pretty pitiful the literal trickle of games that come onto the PC store shelves.

And as well, to say that there is no market for a sim of any kind??? That was/is/ and always will be a pure load of crap. There are 10s of thousands of frustrated simfans out there waiting for a decent sim. Who might actually spend some of that dough IF the game devs would quit turning their backs on them.

Mechwarrior.... Has Evolved! Bout freaking time!!!!

What would be so bad about a mechwarrior MMO?
Personally I think its the way to go.

Look at the battletech universe, its huge, detailed, long history.
It would make a great setting for an MMO.

Im not saying an MMO where you leveled up or whatever (maybe you could gain higher standing/rank etc with your performance, IE number of mechs killed etc..) but a persistent online game where you played as x faction/group etc (limited slots available for each group and you have to sign up for it) and then fought ala mechwarrior 4 but along a much larger scale, you could go across an entire planet if you liked (no boundaries, duh) looking at various cities, bases etc..or even attacking them. Or travel the inner sphere and drop down on other planets.

whatever :O

Anyway I think it would be interesting if done right, im not sure its possible (or feasible) to create an MMO THAT huge, since we're talking alot of worlds. It could be limited to like a handful of worlds and more added in expansion packs.

All fighter/vehicle planes would be AI controlled, but you could buy them and their services and send em out at enemies.


im thinking of NBT Hardcore a bit when musing here

ah well...

You guys seen this? What do you think?

http://www.virtualworld.com/forums/btfrstrm/index.cgi?board=OFFT;action=display;num=1123603891;start=0

looks like people just goofing off for the most part...nothing concrete